Reply to comment “Neglect what is near”, related to the Editorial “Artificial Intelligence and Ophthalmology: Current status”

Zarranz-Ventura, J.; Bernal-Morales, C.; Saenz de Viteri, M.; Castro Alonso, F.J.; Urcola, J.A.

doi:10.1016/j.oftale.2022.03.003

array:23 ["pii" => "S2173579422000494" "issn" => "21735794" "doi" => "10.1016/j.oftale.2022.03.003" "estado" => "S300" "fechaPublicacion" => "2022-07-01" "aid" => "1974" "copyright" => "Sociedad Española de Oftalmología" "copyrightAnyo" => "2022" "documento" => "simple-article" "crossmark" => 0 "subdocumento" => "cor" "cita" => "Arch Soc Esp Oftalmol. 2022;97:418-9" "abierto" => array:3 [ "ES" => false "ES2" => false "LATM" => false ] "gratuito" => false "lecturas" => array:1 [ "total" => 0 ] "Traduccion" => array:1 [ "es" => array:19 [ "pii" => "S0365669122000028" "issn" => "03656691" "doi" => "10.1016/j.oftal.2021.10.002" "estado" => "S300" "fechaPublicacion" => "2022-07-01" "aid" => "1974" "copyright" => "Sociedad Española de Oftalmología" "documento" => "simple-article" "crossmark" => 1 "subdocumento" => "cor" "cita" => "Arch Soc Esp Oftalmol. 2022;97:418-9" "abierto" => array:3 [ "ES" => false "ES2" => false "LATM" => false ] "gratuito" => false "lecturas" => array:1 [ "total" => 0 ] "es" => array:10 [ "idiomaDefecto" => true "cabecera" => "Carta al Director" "titulo" => "Respuesta al comentario «El menosprecio de lo próximo», relativo al editorial «Inteligencia artificial y Oftalmología: Estado actual»" "tienePdf" => "es" "tieneTextoCompleto" => "es" "paginas" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "paginaInicial" => "418" "paginaFinal" => "419" ] ] "titulosAlternativos" => array:1 [ "en" => array:1 [ "titulo" => "Reply to comment «Neglect what is near», related to the Editorial «Artificial Intelligence and Ophthalmology: Current status»" ] ] "contieneTextoCompleto" => array:1 [ "es" => true ] "contienePdf" => array:1 [ "es" => true ] "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "autoresLista" => "J. Zarranz-Ventura, C. Bernal-Morales, M. Saenz de Viteri, F.J. Castro Alonso, J.A. Urcola" "autores" => array:5 [ 0 => array:2 [ "nombre" => "J." "apellidos" => "Zarranz-Ventura" ] 1 => array:2 [ "nombre" => "C." "apellidos" => "Bernal-Morales" ] 2 => array:2 [ "nombre" => "M." "apellidos" => "Saenz de Viteri" ] 3 => array:2 [ "nombre" => "F.J." "apellidos" => "Castro Alonso" ] 4 => array:2 [ "nombre" => "J.A." "apellidos" => "Urcola" ] ] ] ] ] "idiomaDefecto" => "es" "Traduccion" => array:1 [ "en" => array:9 [ "pii" => "S2173579422000494" "doi" => "10.1016/j.oftale.2022.03.003" "estado" => "S300" "subdocumento" => "" "abierto" => array:3 [ "ES" => false "ES2" => false "LATM" => false ] "gratuito" => false "lecturas" => array:1 [ "total" => 0 ] "idiomaDefecto" => "en" "EPUB" => "https://multimedia.elsevier.es/PublicationsMultimediaV1/item/epub/S2173579422000494?idApp=UINPBA00004N" ] ] "EPUB" => "https://multimedia.elsevier.es/PublicationsMultimediaV1/item/epub/S0365669122000028?idApp=UINPBA00004N" "url" => "/03656691/0000009700000007/v1_202207010747/S0365669122000028/v1_202207010747/es/main.assets" ] ] "itemAnterior" => array:18 [ "pii" => "S2173579422000779" "issn" => "21735794" "doi" => "10.1016/j.oftale.2021.09.002" "estado" => "S300" "fechaPublicacion" => "2022-07-01" "aid" => "1980" "documento" => "simple-article" "crossmark" => 0 "subdocumento" => "cor" "cita" => "Arch Soc Esp Oftalmol. 2022;97:417-8" "abierto" => array:3 [ "ES" => false "ES2" => false "LATM" => false ] "gratuito" => false "lecturas" => array:1 [ "total" => 0 ] "en" => array:10 [ "idiomaDefecto" => true "cabecera" => "Letter to the Editor" "titulo" => "Neglect what is near. Commentary regarding the August 2021 editorial on the current state of Artificial Intelligence in Ophthalmology" "tienePdf" => "en" "tieneTextoCompleto" => "en" "paginas" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "paginaInicial" => "417" "paginaFinal" => "418" ] ] "titulosAlternativos" => array:1 [ "es" => array:1 [ "titulo" => "El menosprecio de lo próximo. Comentario respecto al editorial de agosto de 2021 sobre el estado actual de la inteligencia artificial en Oftalmología" ] ] "contieneTextoCompleto" => array:1 [ "en" => true ] "contienePdf" => array:1 [ "en" => true ] "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "autoresLista" => "M. González de la Rosa" "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "nombre" => "M." "apellidos" => "González de la Rosa" ] ] ] ] ] "idiomaDefecto" => "en" "Traduccion" => array:1 [ "es" => array:9 [ "pii" => "S0365669122000089" "doi" => "10.1016/j.oftal.2021.09.003" "estado" => "S300" "subdocumento" => "" "abierto" => array:3 [ "ES" => false "ES2" => false "LATM" => false ] "gratuito" => false "lecturas" => array:1 [ "total" => 0 ] "idiomaDefecto" => "es" "EPUB" => "https://multimedia.elsevier.es/PublicationsMultimediaV1/item/epub/S0365669122000089?idApp=UINPBA00004N" ] ] "EPUB" => "https://multimedia.elsevier.es/PublicationsMultimediaV1/item/epub/S2173579422000779?idApp=UINPBA00004N" "url" => "/21735794/0000009700000007/v1_202206300612/S2173579422000779/v1_202206300612/en/main.assets" ] "en" => array:14 [ "idiomaDefecto" => true "cabecera" => "Letter to the Editor" "titulo" => "Reply to comment “Neglect what is near”, related to the Editorial “Artificial Intelligence and Ophthalmology: Current status”" "tieneTextoCompleto" => true "saludo" => "Dear Editor:" "paginas" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "paginaInicial" => "418" "paginaFinal" => "419" ] ] "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:4 [ "autoresLista" => "J. Zarranz-Ventura, C. Bernal-Morales, M. Saenz de Viteri, F.J. Castro Alonso, J.A. Urcola" "autores" => array:5 [ 0 => array:4 [ "nombre" => "J." "apellidos" => "Zarranz-Ventura" "email" => array:1 [ 0 => "jzarranz@hotmail.com" ] "referencia" => array:3 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "a" "identificador" => "aff0005" ] 1 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "b" "identificador" => "aff0010" ] 2 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "*" "identificador" => "cor0005" ] ] ] 1 => array:3 [ "nombre" => "C." "apellidos" => "Bernal-Morales" "referencia" => array:3 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "a" "identificador" => "aff0005" ] 1 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "b" "identificador" => "aff0010" ] 2 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "c" "identificador" => "aff0015" ] ] ] 2 => array:3 [ "nombre" => "M." "apellidos" => "Saenz de Viteri" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "d" "identificador" => "aff0020" ] ] ] 3 => array:3 [ "nombre" => "F.J." "apellidos" => "Castro Alonso" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "e" "identificador" => "aff0025" ] ] ] 4 => array:3 [ "nombre" => "J.A." "apellidos" => "Urcola" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "f" "identificador" => "aff0030" ] ] ] ] "afiliaciones" => array:6 [ 0 => array:3 [ "entidad" => "Institut Clínic de Oftalmologia (ICOF), Hospital Clínic de Barcelona, Barcelona, Spain" "etiqueta" => "a" "identificador" => "aff0005" ] 1 => array:3 [ "entidad" => "Institut de Investigacions Biomèdiques August Pi i Sunyer (IDIBAPS), Barcelona, Spain" "etiqueta" => "b" "identificador" => "aff0010" ] 2 => array:3 [ "entidad" => "Moorfields Eye Hospital, London, United Kingdom" "etiqueta" => "c" "identificador" => "aff0015" ] 3 => array:3 [ "entidad" => "Clínica Universidad de Navarra, Pamplona, Spain" "etiqueta" => "d" "identificador" => "aff0020" ] 4 => array:3 [ "entidad" => "Hospital de Alcañiz, Alcañiz, Teruel, Spain" "etiqueta" => "e" "identificador" => "aff0025" ] 5 => array:3 [ "entidad" => "Oftalmología, Hospital Universitario de Araba, Vitoria, Spain" "etiqueta" => "f" "identificador" => "aff0030" ] ] "correspondencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:3 [ "identificador" => "cor0005" "etiqueta" => "⁎" "correspondencia" => "Corresponding author." ] ] ] ] "titulosAlternativos" => array:1 [ "es" => array:1 [ "titulo" => "Respuesta al comentario «El menosprecio de lo próximo», relativo al editorial «Inteligencia artificial y Oftalmología: Estado actual»" ] ] "textoCompleto" => "It was with great surprise that we received the comment “The disdain of the near future” regarding our editorial published last August, entitled “Artificial intelligence and ophthalmology: current status”.<a class="elsevierStyleCrossRef" href="#bib0005">1</a> As its name suggests, said article aimed at providing the general ophthalmologist a brief update on the status of these applications at the international level in all areas of ophthalmology as of August 2021. Having a limit of 10 references to cover such a wide area of knowledge worldwide, we have selected reviews or reference publications in each of the areas, obviously without this meaning that all those not cited not only in Spain but also in the international literature are undervalued. For this reason, the value judgement attributed to us in the commentary seems to us to be certainly unfair and inappropriate.The excellent publication mentioned in said comment, the 2019 Round Table of our society entitled “Big Data in Ophthalmology”,<a class="elsevierStyleCrossRef" href="#bib0010">2</a> is a reference work in our country on the subject of Big Data, a concept related but not identical to the artificial intelligence that is the subject of our editorial. Regardless of this nuance, we, the undersigned, can attest to the quality of said publication, since not only the second author but 4 of the 5 authors of our publishing house participated in different chapters thereof. Although this work is undoubtedly of unquestionable quality, having only 10 references to cover a subject that is not entirely coincident and dealt with at an international level, we did not feel it was right to include it, as in some way it would be an unnecessary self-citation. Similarly, we did not include another recent publication by 3 of the signatories, in this case specifically dedicated to artificial intelligence in retina, the subject of the Monograph 2020 of the Spanish Society of Retina and Vitreous (SERV).<a class="elsevierStyleCrossRef" href="#bib0015">3</a> We sincerely believe that both works are of very high quality, but perhaps in an exercise of realism and humility, not enough to be cited in a limited selection of references worldwide.Regarding the paragraph dedicated to glaucoma, it is not correct that we have dedicated a single reference as mentioned in the commentary, as we have included 3 and they have been specifically selected to describe 3 different application areas. The first is a publication in the journal Ophthalmology based on glaucoma detection using deep learning applied to retinography<a class="elsevierStyleCrossRef" href="#bib0020">4</a>; the second, for glaucoma detection based on deep learning applied to optical coherence tomography<a class="elsevierStyleCrossRef" href="#bib0025">5</a>; and the third, dedicated to predicting the 5-year progression of visual field defects in work carried out by a team from the University of Washington and Moorfields Eye Hospital in London.<a class="elsevierStyleCrossRef" href="#bib0030">6</a> We believe that this selection allows us to offer the lay reader a concrete example of each of these 3 areas of application of artificial intelligence in glaucoma, which was the aim of the editorial. The 3 papers cited seem to us to be entirely relevant and appropriate for this purpose.In conclusion, we can only reiterate our surprise at said comment, which we understand is undoubtedly due to a misinterpretation of the message we wanted to convey for the reasons given in this letter. Of course, there are many examples of Spanish groups that have worked for years with outstanding success on this subject in different specific areas of Ophthalmology. Proof of this are the international publications derived from these projects, but it was not the aim of our editorial to detail this work. We would like to express our willingness to collaborate in future initiatives aimed at describing in particular the current state of artificial intelligence in ophthalmology in our country.Conflict of interestsThe authors declare no conflict of interest." "textoCompletoSecciones" => array:1 [ "secciones" => array:2 [ 0 => array:2 [ "identificador" => "sec0005" "titulo" => "Conflict of interests" ] 1 => array:1 [ "titulo" => "References" ] ] ] "pdfFichero" => "main.pdf" "tienePdf" => true "NotaPie" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etiqueta" => "☆" "nota" => "Please cite this article as: Zarranz-Ventura J, Bernal-Morales C, Saenz de Viteri M, Castro Alonso FJ, Urcola JA. Respuesta al comentario «El menosprecio de lo próximo», relativo al editorial «Inteligencia artificial y Oftalmología: Estado actual». Arch Soc Esp Oftalmol. 2022;97:418–419." ] ] "bibliografia" => array:2 [ "titulo" => "References" "seccion" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "identificador" => "bibs0005" "bibliografiaReferencia" => array:6 [ 0 => array:3 [ "identificador" => "bib0005" "etiqueta" => "1" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "contribucion" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "titulo" => "Artificial intelligence and ophthalmology: current status" "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etal" => false "autores" => array:5 [ 0 => "J. Zarranz-Ventura" 1 => "C. Bernal-Morales" 2 => "M. Saenz de Viteri" 3 => "F.J. Castro Alonso" 4 => "J.A. Urcola" ] ] ] ] ] "host" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "doi" => "10.1016/j.oftale.2021.06.001" "Revista" => array:6 [ "tituloSerie" => "Arch Soc Esp Oftalmol" "fecha" => "2021" "volumen" => "96" "paginaInicial" => "399" "paginaFinal" => "400" "link" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "url" => "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34340776" "web" => "Medline" ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] 1 => array:3 [ "identificador" => "bib0010" "etiqueta" => "2" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "contribucion" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "titulo" => "Big data en Oftalmología" "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etal" => false "autores" => array:2 [ 0 => "J.M. Martinez de la Casa" 1 => "J.A. Urcola" ] ] ] ] ] "host" => array:1 [ 0 => array:1 [ "Libro" => array:4 [ "titulo" => "Mesa redonda SEO 2019. 95 Congreso de la Sociedad Españolade Oftalmología" "fecha" => "2019" "editorial" => "Sociedad Española de Oftalmología" "editorialLocalizacion" => "Madrid" ] ] ] ] ] ] 2 => array:3 [ "identificador" => "bib0015" "etiqueta" => "3" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "contribucion" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "titulo" => "Inteligencia artificial en retina. Monografía" "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etal" => true "autores" => array:6 [ 0 => "J. (coord.) Zarranz-Ventura" 1 => "R. Abreu-Gonzalez" 2 => "M.I. Fernandez" 3 => "J. Lara Medina" 4 => "M. Saenz de Viteri Vázquez" 5 => "M.A. Zapata" ] ] ] ] ] "host" => array:1 [ 0 => array:1 [ "Libro" => array:2 [ "fecha" => "2020" "editorial" => "Sociedad Española de Retina y Vitreo (SERV)" ] ] ] ] ] ] 3 => array:3 [ "identificador" => "bib0020" "etiqueta" => "4" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "contribucion" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "titulo" => "Efficacy of a deep learning system for detecting glaucomatous optic neuropathy based on color fundus photographs" "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etal" => false "autores" => array:6 [ 0 => "Z. Li" 1 => "Y. He" 2 => "S. Keel" 3 => "W. Meng" 4 => "R.T. Chang" 5 => "M. He" ] ] ] ] ] "host" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "doi" => "10.1016/j.ophtha.2018.01.023" "Revista" => array:6 [ "tituloSerie" => "Ophthalmology" "fecha" => "2018" "volumen" => "125" "paginaInicial" => "1199" "paginaFinal" => "1206" "link" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "url" => "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29506863" "web" => "Medline" ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] 4 => array:3 [ "identificador" => "bib0025" "etiqueta" => "5" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "contribucion" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "titulo" => "Diagnosing glaucoma with spectral-domain optical coherence tomography using deep learning classifier" "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etal" => false "autores" => array:4 [ 0 => "J. Lee" 1 => "Y.K. Kim" 2 => "K.H. Park" 3 => "J.W. Jeoung" ] ] ] ] ] "host" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "doi" => "10.1097/IJG.0000000000001458" "Revista" => array:6 [ "tituloSerie" => "J Glaucoma" "fecha" => "2020" "volumen" => "29" "paginaInicial" => "287" "paginaFinal" => "294" "link" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "url" => "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32053552" "web" => "Medline" ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] 5 => array:3 [ "identificador" => "bib0030" "etiqueta" => "6" "referencia" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "contribucion" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "titulo" => "Forecasting future humphrey visual fields using deep learning" "autores" => array:1 [ 0 => array:2 [ "etal" => true "autores" => array:6 [ 0 => "J.C. Wen" 1 => "C.S. Lee" 2 => "P.A. Keane" 3 => "S. Xiao" 4 => "A.S. Rokem" 5 => "P.P. Chen" ] ] ] ] ] "host" => array:1 [ 0 => array:1 [ "Revista" => array:5 [ "tituloSerie" => "PLoS One" "fecha" => "2019" "volumen" => "14" "paginaInicial" => "1" "paginaFinal" => "14" ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] "idiomaDefecto" => "en" "url" => "/21735794/0000009700000007/v1_202206300612/S2173579422000494/v1_202206300612/en/main.assets" "Apartado" => array:4 [ "identificador" => "8723" "tipo" => "SECCION" "en" => array:2 [ "titulo" => "Letters to the editor" "idiomaDefecto" => true ] "idiomaDefecto" => "en" ] "PDF" => "https://static.elsevier.es/multimedia/21735794/0000009700000007/v1_202206300612/S2173579422000494/v1_202206300612/en/main.pdf?idApp=UINPBA00004N&text.app=https://www.elsevier.es/" "EPUB" => "https://multimedia.elsevier.es/PublicationsMultimediaV1/item/epub/S2173579422000494?idApp=UINPBA00004N"]

ISSN: 2173-5794
e-ISSN: 1989-7286

Archivos de la Sociedad Española de Oftalmología is the official journal of the Ophthalmology Society of Spain, that has over 4,000 members. It gives priority to the publication of basic, translational and clinic research including reviews, original articles, short communications, editorials, letters to the editor and clinic practice guides related to Ophthalmology and its subspecialties. A small section of the journal is reserved for the most relevant papers presented at the annual Congress of the Society. All manuscripts considered for publication are reviewed by expert examiner peers (double blind). The journal is published monthly and even though its official language is Spanish all articles are translated into English to increase the dissemination of scientific information. At present, Archivos is the only Spanish language Ophthalmology journal indexed in PubMed/MEDLINE in addition to other prestigious international databases such as Scopus.

See more Open Access Option

Indexed in:

PubMed/MedLine, Scopus, EMBASE, IBECS, IME, SCIELO, BIOSIS, SENIOR, COMPLUDOC

Subscribe:

Citescore

CiteScore measures average citations received per document published.

Citescore 2023

1.2

SJR

SRJ is a prestige metric based on the idea that not all citations are the same. SJR uses a similar algorithm as the Google page rank; it provides a quantitative and qualitative measure of the journal's impact.

SJR 2023

0.247

SNIP

SNIP measures contextual citation impact by wighting citations based on the total number of citations in a subject field.

SNIP 2023

0.263

View more metrics

Journal Information

Previous article | Next article

Vol. 97. Issue 7.